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On a recent visit to friends who have a 14-month-old child, David Sedaris marveled at the attention garnered by one tiny little being. "When you go to their house, everything is about the baby," says the best-selling author with the inimitable nasal voice. "The baby eats, and you watch the baby eat, then you watch the baby knock the telephone off the table." While Sedaris says he and his five siblings were by no means neglected, their early years were hardly the 24-hour-a-day tactile experience that seems de rigueur today. "Sure we were fed," he says, "but we weren’t followed around from room to room and congratulated for existing."

These days, there’s no shortage of praise for the National Public Radio humorist who has spun his Greek-American family’s hang-ups into pure comic gold. This month, fans can rejoice in the release of Dress Your Family in Corduroy and Denim, which includes essays that originally appeared in Esquire, The New Yorker and on NPR’s "This American Life." As in his previous collections, Naked, Barrel Fever, Holidays on Ice and Me Talk Pretty One Day, Sedaris’ tales crackle with the quirkiness that has become his cachet.

Though Sedaris, 47, may be inclined to embellish, the characters featured in his stories are very real: his sister Tiffany dumpster-dives for frozen turkeys, then cooks and eats them; and his mercurial late mother once locked her children out of the house on a snowy winter day because she wanted to be alone. Also in the spotlight is sister Amy, a popular actress and brilliant mimic who has collaborated with her brother on numerous stage plays. "My family isn’t really all that different from anyone else’s," says Sedaris in a phone conversation from his London flat. Then, pausing to reconsider, he adds, "Well, maybe they’re a bit more entertaining."

Sedaris profits from his family members’ peculiarities, but he is also sensitive to their feelings. When his sister Gretchen told him she felt uncomfortable being the focus of some of his stories, he respected her wishes, and now only mentions her in passing. He backed out of a lucrative movie deal for Me Talk Pretty One Day because he didn’t like the idea of someone else handling material about his family. Yet the temptation to tap into a seemingly endless font of freakish behavior is nearly irresistible, says Sedaris, and his family knows it. "My sister Lisa now prefaces every story with: ‘You can’t repeat this to anyone,’ says Sedaris. "And I’m trying to earn her trust."

Brother Paul Sedaris, who operates a North Carolina-based floor sanding business, is one family member who clearly relishes the attention. And he gets plenty of it. "I never imagined that people would phone him at two in the morning and say, ‘Do the rooster, do the rooster,’" says Sedaris, referring to the verbal tirade his 5-foot-4-inch brother unleashes in self defense, rendered so memorably in the Me Talk Pretty One Day essay, "You Can’t Kill the Rooster." For brother Paul, the publicity makes dollars—and sense. "People who’ve heard me talk about Paul now hire him to sand their floors," says Sedaris.

The new book’s title, which publisher Little, Brown describes as "willfully enigmatic," has no significance at all, says Sedaris. In fact, he says, Dress Your Family in Corduroy and Denim sounds like something really boring you’d find in the sewing department of a store. Regardless of how they interpret the title, readers will find themselves in stitches over Sedaris’ delirious accounts, which include a humiliating strip poker game, a pet parrot with a pitch-perfect imitation of a milk steamer and an eyebrow-less nine-year-old neighbor named after an alcoholic drink.

A little more than a decade ago, David Sedaris was an unknown Chicago-based performance artist and house cleaner whose career took a life-altering turn when "This American Life" host Ira Glass attended one of his performances at an area club. "Ira introduced himself," says Sedaris, "and about a year later when I moved to New York, he called me and asked if I had anything Christmas-y." Sedaris submitted "The Santaland Diaries," the unforgettable tale of his experiences working as a Christmas elf at Macy’s. Glass produced the piece for "Morning Edition," and the rest, as they say, is history.

"If I hadn’t met Ira Glass, I’d still be cleaning houses," says Sedaris, who now delivers lectures and readings to standing room only crowds from San Francisco to St. Paul. "I sure as heck wouldn’t be writing my fifth book." Despite his success, Sedaris remains a mass of insecurities. He says introductions loaded with praise just make him nervous. "I’m standing backstage thinking, Oh, don’t say that, don’t say that," he says. "You’re being set up in a way."

Though Sedaris spends large chunks of time touring in the U.S., he lives abroad, dividing his time between London and France (the latter is the site of many of his laugh-out-loud linguistic misadventures in Me Talk Pretty One Day). Those lucky enough to see the humorist in action know that he frequently takes notes while delivering a story, marking where people laugh or don’t respond. The feedback helps in the writing and editing process, he says, adding that a story can change significantly over the course of a tour. Audience reactions—like the dismay elicited from a description of submerging an injured rodent in a bucket of water in the new collection’s "Nuit of the Living Dead"—are often surprising.

"For some reason, you can get on stage and talk about punching your sister in the stomach and nobody bats an eye, but if you talk about pulling the wings off a fly or drowning a mouse, the audience just goes, ohhhhhhhhhh." In truth, what the author covets most is not the giggle, but the gasp ("I love that sound, just an intake of air") prompted by a truly outrageous anecdote. Happily for Sedaris and his fans, life as he knows it has produced a seemingly endless supply.

 

Allison Block’s own family includes a musician who "plays" the armpits and a portly pit bull who has trained his owner to fetch.

On a recent visit to friends who have a 14-month-old child, David Sedaris marveled at the attention garnered by one tiny little being. "When you go to their house, everything is about the baby," says the best-selling author with the inimitable nasal voice. "The baby…

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As most Americans know by now, there are two Stephen Colberts. One is a quick-witted, classically trained 43-year-old actor, husband and father of three from Charleston, South Carolina, who drifted into comedy at Chicago's famed Second City improv troupe and fractured our funny bones as a clueless TV news correspondent on Comedy Central's Emmy Award-winning faux newscast, "The Daily Show." The other is the character Stephen Colbert (that's kohl-BEAR, as in beware of), the mirthfully egotistical uber-pundit whose nightly half-hour assault on reason, "The Colbert Report" (silent Ts, please), takes the huffing and puffing of the Bill O'Reillys, Sean Hannitys and Rush Limbaughs to hilariously absurd lengths.

We were frankly uncertain which Stephen would be handling the interview honors for I Am America (And So Can You!), the first book from the Colbert Nation. When an actor creates a monster like the irrepressible "Report" host, interviewers naturally wonder if they'll have another Borat on their hands. It turns out we wound up with a little bit of both.

" I like to jump back and forth between them," says a relaxed, congenial Colbert by telephone from New York. "It doesn't really matter to me how much of what I believe the audience knows. Do I believe what I'm saying or not? I sometimes cross that line.

Taking his lead from the success of the 2004 bestseller from "The Daily Show," America the Book, to which he contributed, Colbert and his dozen writers spent nine months crafting this warped populist manifesto on race, immigration, class, aging and the media.

As on the "Report," the deadpan Colbert here assumes laughably irrational stands on just about everything. A sampling: the elderly ("like rude party guests. They came early, they're always in the bathroom and now they just won't leave"), the New York Times ("I call it 'The Juice' because like steroids, [it] fills you with rage and shrinks your genitalia"), India's caste system ("These castes forever determine what level of tech support questions they are allowed to answer"), bass players ("It's like you made a poorly worded deal with the devil to be a rock star") and talking around the race issue ("If race were a sweater, it would be made of cashmere, and you could only wash it by hand").

Borrowing from his TV show's popular segment "The Word," Colbert underscores his satirical opinions in the book with equally outrageous margin notes.

" We've got a slightly different flavor in that 'The Word' is a counterpoint, and the margin notes in this book are my ability to add opinion to myself, so they're supportive," he explains. "I heard somebody say it's as if I'm reading the book over your shoulder and whispering in your ear."

Books, of course, are anathema to the Colbert character, who holds his truths alone to be self-evident. It's a paradox he tackles on the opening page: " I am no fan of books, and chances are, if you're reading this, you and I share a healthy skepticism about the printed word. I want you to know that this is the first book I've ever written, and I hope it's the first book you've ever read. Don't make a habit of it."

In reality, Colbert's a big reader. "I love them," he says of books. " I personally am a big fan. They're my best friends." Books—particularly science fiction and J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings—helped him through a family tragedy. The youngest of 11 children, Stephen was 10 when his father and two of his brothers were killed in a plane crash in North Carolina.

His teenage penchant for Dungeons & Dragons led to an interest in drama. Colbert pursued serious theater at Northwestern University before a post-graduate gig in the Windy City lured him to the light side.

" I was a drama guy. I had a classical actor's education, doing the classics and studying Stanislavski. I pictured myself doing classics," he recalls. "But then I fell in with the comedy crowd in Chicago at Second City, and that just corrupted me for the rest of my life. I had to go do things that made people laugh because I got addicted."

Colbert broke in at Second City in 1986 as understudy to Steve Carell, now star of NBC's "The Office." The two would eventually share the Second City stage and team up again on "The Daily Show" in the point-counterpoint takeoff, "Even Stephven.

Colbert blossomed creatively on "The Daily Show," where his take on the clueless field reporter continues to set the standard for news parody. His most beloved segment, "This Week in God," lives on in his absence; those are still his "boops" on the God machine.

Colbert's solo shot came almost by accident when "The Daily Show" ran a fake promo for a nonexistent show called "The Colbert Report." "One of the early clues that we should maybe go do the show was that people kept contacting Comedy Central saying, when is that on? We want to see it," he says.

His oblivious TV reporter quickly morphed into the over-the-top narcissistic pundit with a thing for O'Reilly and an irrational fear of bears.

" The character that I do now is an extension of the self-important news correspondent in that I always wanted (him) to be, well-intentioned but poorly informed and high status, really on a certain level an idiot," he says. "I don't think guys like Sean Hannity don't want what's best for America; I just think their idea of what's best for America is wildly misinformed."

Colbert has abandoned, perhaps wisely, any dramatic aspirations.

"In 2004, I did a 'Law & Order' where I played a murderer and it's just hilarious. I'm completely serious, but for the entire thing you're waiting for me to do a slow take to the camera. It's like a 45-minute setup to a punch line that never comes," he says.

"After you say the things that I've said for the past few years with a straight face, who's ever going to take me seriously again? I think that's crossed the Rubicon. It's not going to happen."

 

Jay MacDonald writes from bear-free Austin, Texas.

As most Americans know by now, there are two Stephen Colberts. One is a quick-witted, classically trained 43-year-old actor, husband and father of three from Charleston, South Carolina, who drifted into comedy at Chicago's famed Second City improv troupe and fractured our funny bones…

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EDITOR'S NOTE: For the past 10 years, Lewis Grizzard has annually produced a best-selling book. His 10 titles have more than 2 million copies in print, and his latest book, Don't Bend Over in the Garden, Granny, You Know them Taters Got Eyes, has been on the New York Times best-seller list for weeks. In April, the first two in a series of advice books by Grizzard will be published by Longstreet Press. We wanted to talk with Grizzard about his vairous projects, but we could never catch up with him. Therefore, we asked Lewis Grizzard to interview himself.

Q: Well, Lewis, I'm glad I was able to catch you between engagements to ask you a few questions. So how many times have you been engaged?

A: That was a trick question, wasn't it? I can see that I'll have to be careful during this interview. Truth is, I've been engaged only once, but I've been married three times so far. I'd rather play than practice.

Q: Are you presently married?

A: No, but there are several women auditioning for the part.

Q: Is that why you decided to write the advice book, Lews Grizzard's Advice to the Newly Wed…and the Newly Divorced?

A: Yes, it seemed like the perfect marriage of subject and author. and that may be as close as I get to a perfect union.

Q: Could you give us an example of your sage advice to a newly married man?

A: Beware of crying women. Crying is the ultimate weapon they use to get their way. Crying has led me to dine with in-laws I didn't want to dine with, to eat green soup that looked like pond scum, and to answer questions about how much life insurance I had in case both my arms got cut off. Any one of my ex-wives could have cried Jane Fonda onto the Supreme Court. One of them almost got me to vote for George McGovern by crying—I told her I would, but at the last minute I remembered the secret ballot.

Q: What about advice for anyone considering divorce?

A: Be prepared to lose even your most valued personal possessions in divorce court. I have lost, among other things, several sofas and beds, one good dog, a number of television sets, and my priceless Faron Young albums. She didn't even like Faron Young, but she told a friend she really enjoyed watching the records melt in the fire. It could have been worse, I guess.

Another friend was puzzled when the jury came back in to ask the judge for further instructions during his divorce trial. He questioned his attorney and was told, "After what your wife said about you, they're probably asking if they can recommend the death penalty."

Q: You seem to have a real love-hate attitude toward women. Would you agree with that statement?

A: Well, along with Willie Nelson and Julio Iglesias, i've loved my share and probably a few of yours. But the only thing I really hate is three-putting from ten feet. I guess my attitude toward women was shaped by my father. In his lifetime, he fought the Germas, the North Koreans, and the Communist Chines, and later he said to me, "Son, there's nothing in this world meaner than a quarrelsome woman."

Q: So what's the title of your other advice book?

A: It's called Lewis Grizzard on Fear of Flying. That's another subject that I know a great deal about.

Q: Yes, I understand that you travel a lot.

A: Travel a lot . . . I've got so many frequent flier miles hat one airline tried to give me my own plane. I told them I didn't want it.

Q: So what is it about flying that bothers you so much?

A: Actually, I like flying. It's the crashing and burning that bothers me. Just think about it: Why is it that the first thing you see approaching an airport is a big sign that says "Terminal?"

Flying is unnatural. If God had intended for man to fly, He never would have given him the rental car with unlimited mileage.

Q: But, in spite of that, you continue to fly hundreds of thousands of miles a year. Why?

A: Have you ever tried driving from Atlanta to Casper, Wyoming? That's just a longer, slower death.

Q: So give me a few tips about flying.

A: First, I recommend a visit to the airport var . . . at least twelve hours before scheduled departure. when boarding the plane, listen closely for any airline personnel using the word "forgot." If they forgot to bring a new deck of playing cards, might they also have forgotten to gas up the plane and check the oil before takeoff?

If the mechanic making last-minute checks underneath the plane is nammed Bubba, I'd take the next flight.

Try to pay attention when they're going over the safety instructions. sometimes I goof up and forget to bring my seat back to its original locked and upright position for takeoff and landing.

Probably the worst thing I do when  I fly, however, is that, in the unlikely event there is a loss of cabin pressure, I don't breathe normally when I place the oxygen mask over my head and face. Instead, I breathe like a Secretariat down the stretch.

And finally, for now, I recommend that you don't eat airline food. That way you never have to loosen your grip on the seat.

Q: That certainly sounds like good advice. I don't suppose you've been asked to do any endorsements for airlines, have you?

A: As a matter of fact, Delta asked me to do one for Eastern. I thought that was a little strange.

Q: Lewis, your humor column is syndicated in more than 350 newspapers nationwide, your books are regular best-sellers, and you are one of the most popular speakers in America. To what do you attribute your success?

A: I'd say the keys to my success are my self-renewing subscription to the Reader's Digest; my collection of old Red Skelton monologues; slow take-away at address and not looping the club a the top of the swing; promising not to do it again while looking hurt; never drawing to fill a straight; and interviewing myself so that I get only positive publicity.

EDITOR'S NOTE: For the past 10 years, Lewis Grizzard has annually produced a best-selling book. His 10 titles have more than 2 million copies in print, and his latest book, Don't Bend Over in the Garden, Granny, You Know them Taters Got Eyes, has been…

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Michael Barson has been a comics collector for decades, in addition to his day job as co-director of publicity for Putnam/Riverhead Publishing. He’s collected some of the finest examples of 1940s and 1950s love comics in the new anthology Agonizing Love.

In the panels of the brightly colored comics that once filled newsstands, young women of the era picked up pointers on finding and keeping love. These tear-jerking pop culture delights feature such stories as “The Man I Couldn’t Love,” “My Heart Cried Out” and “I Loved a Weakling.” Cheesy as the comics might seem to the modern reader, Barson thinks these vintage “morality plays” might still offer all of us some important lessons on love.

We asked Barson to tell us more about his obsession with collectibles, the appeal of romance comics and the agonizing nature of love through the ages.

How and why did you begin to collect romance comic books?
I started pretty late in life in terms of collecting the classic Romance comics. I had been collecting all sorts of other genres since the mid-60s—Superhero, War, Sci-Fi, Horror, even Funny Animal—but it wasn’t until I bumped into a big collection of vintage Love comics that was being offered for sale in the early ‘80s at NY’s Forbidden Planet store, in their collectible comics section, that it suddenly clicked—How cool are these? It was a group that contained most of the early Simon & Kirby Young Romance issues, and those proved my entry point into collecting this category for the first time. Later I bemoaned the fact that I probably had passed over several hundred (if not several thousand) tasty Romance issues over the previous 10 or 12 years while collecting in all those other genres; love comics just didn’t register for me at that time.

Why did you decide to share your collection with readers?
What’s the fun in collecting something for almost 30 years if you can’t share it with others? Let’s face it, 99 percent of the world out there would never have a chance to read any of these little gems if someone—in this case, me—didn’t take the time and effort to rescue them from obscurity. I feel I am performing a service, however modest, for humanity.

For those who aren’t familiar with the genre, can you give us a capsule description of what a “romance comic” is?
To oversimplify terribly, most of the stories that appeared in Love comics during their golden period—to me, 1947 to 1960 or so—are little morality plays that have been given a seven- or eight- page stage on which to play out. Sometimes the resolution is a happy ending, but not always. But I think it’s fair to say that in 98 percent of the cases, a lesson is learned by one of the characters in the story—a lesson that will change their attitudes and philosophy going forward.

These comics look hilariously cheesy today. Do you think readers took them seriously back then?

To the extent that even a teenage girl or young woman (probably the target audience for these comics) would take any kind of comic book in a totally serious manner, I would answer with a qualified “yes.” In that pre-Ironic era, the main reason for someone to buy and read Love comics was because they connected to both the medium and the message. They weren’t partaking of these in order to get a quick laugh—there were humor comics such as Archie and Betty and Veronica for that purpose. So while the readers of the day were not treating these romance issues as the second coming of Madame Bovary, I believe they were reading them in a serious frame of mind.

Do you have a favorite romance comic cover or story?

I don’t have a single favorite, but I will admit to being partial to the Mother-in-law subgenre. There’s something about those that just tickles my fancy, even though my own real-life mother-in-law is perfectly benign. But not so in the stories about them that I’ve included here! And I do have friends in real life who are very much embroiled in a problem of this exact nature. 

What's the most important lesson you've learned about love from a romance comic?

If you just got hitched, don’t invite your mother-in-law to move in with you on your wedding night. That goes for both of you!

Is love any different today than it was in a half-century ago?

Love, and its surrounding mysteries and problems, is exactly the same, I am convinced. The only difference is that eHarmony didn’t exist in 1951. Not that it (or any of the other popular dot-com dating sites) seems to have done all that much good.

Is love always agonizing?

In my experience, yes. Because if it isn’t you that’s doing the agonizing, then the other person probably is. The real question is, would we really have it any other way? The empirical evidence of the past 100 years suggests the answer is no.

You’re the father of three sons. If you could give your children one piece of advice about love, what would it be?

Collect stamps instead. Or at least try to avoid the 434 mistakes I was too dumb to avoid.

You’re an avid collector of pop culture memorabilia—everything from postcards and posters to magazines and comics. Where on earth do you keep all this stuff? Does your collecting drive your wife crazy?
Yes, I have in fact driven my wife crazy because of the millions (nahhh, it’s really just thousands) of pieces of moldering antique memorabilia over which she stumbles every morning. And afternoon and evening.

But let me ask you—does that make me a bad person?? Right—I was afraid of that.

 

Michael Barson has been a comics collector for decades, in addition to his day job as co-director of publicity for Putnam/Riverhead Publishing. He’s collected some of the finest examples of 1940s and 1950s love comics in the new anthology Agonizing Love.

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Bill Geist, longtime television correspondent on CBS "Sunday Morning," and his son Willie, co-host on NBC's "Today" and MSNBC's "Morning Joe," share a passion for journalism, but their real common ground lies in appreciating the hilarious, absurd and just plain odd situations in the world around them. They might have skipped the requisite father-son talks while Willie was growing up, but they're finally getting around to them in their new book, Good Talk, Dad.

What inspired the two of you to write a book together?
Willie: When my Dad announced nearly two years ago on CBS “Sunday Morning” that he has Parkinson’s Disease, he had a longer and deeper conversation with his audience than he’d had with his own family. We stopped and wondered why, despite a great relationship, we were averse to those big talks. We then realized we hadn’t had any of the big father-son talks, really: the Birds and the Bees, the dangers of drinking, how to grill a steak and play poker. So we thought it would be funny to go back and have them retroactively. Trust me, they’re even more awkward today than they would have been back then.

Bill: My revelation to Willie and my daughter Libby that I had Parkinson’s Disease after hiding it for ten years led to our realization that we hadn’t had any of the Big Talks fathers and sons were supposed to have. So, through the back and forth of this book, we had them.

What was the most enjoyable part of the writing process?
Willie: For me the most enjoyable part of the process was sitting down with my dad, my mom and my wife and hashing through the best stories of our lives together. What a cool gift to be have the time and the space in a book to collect your family’s greatest hits and have then in one place on a shelf forever.

Bill: Recollecting all of the great family times we shared—most of them humorous. I will say that seeing all these bizarre stories in one place is rather disturbing.

What is your favorite, shared sports memory or experience?
Willie: I have so many great memories of my dad coaching little league and biddy basketball, or being the lone voice in the stands screaming at the refs during my high school games.

We’ve had fun cheering on the teams we love. I was raised in New Jersey as a University of Illinois fan (my parents met there), and my Dad and I went to the 2005 Final Four in St. Louis, where the Illini lost to North Carolina in the national championship game. We went to the 2002 Sugar Bowl where the Illini got whacked by LSU, and the 2008 Rose Bowl where they were blown out by USC. The losses didn’t bother us—it was the trip and the time together that made them great memories. My dad also swung us tickets to Games 1 and 7 of the 1986 World Series where we watched the Mets beat the Red Sox. I was 11, and I’ll never forget it.

Bill: Willie was co-captain of his high school football and basketball teams and my favorite sports memories all involve him. He loved basketball so much; I was thrilled when he scored 16 of his team’s 24 points as a fifth-grader playing his first game. His team won.

Willie, do you plan to have The Talk with your son? Or would you prefer to skip it like Bill did?
Willie: I think I’ll do better than my Dad and I did – but that’s not saying much. I’ll definitely talk to my son about the Birds and the Bees, and trust Google to fill in the blanks.

Bill, was there anything Willie revealed in writing the book that really surprised you?
Bill: I think it was his telling the complete story of his time at what his mother and I considered a great, traditional summer camp. I find out now that the counselors were rehabilitating street gang members. There were gang fights and slashed tires and much more, all in the book. 

Do you have any special Father’s Day traditions?
Willie: I think our only real tradition is spending time together on Father’s Day. These days, we’ve got my dad, me, my two kids, my sister and her two kids, so my dad gets a lot of fatherly love.

Bill: Nothing special. Traditionally, I receive either a bad gift or a good gift that someone else in the family desired and eventually takes possession of.

Willie, what one piece of advice from your dad do you most want to pass along to your own kids?
Willie: I hope I pass on my dad’s good humor, work ethic and lack of self-seriousness. Our house was always a fun place where you’d get knocked around quickly if you took yourself too seriously.

What’s the most embarrassing moment the two of you have shared?
Willie: I’ll be interested to hear what my dad says on this one. For me, it was probably when my parents finally took me to Disneyworld. By the time they granted my long-standing wish, I was 13 and not so interested anymore. They took me to the Character Breakfast where I sat, a big, lanky teenager, with the small children as Mickey, Goofy and the gang came around to the tables dancing and taking photos. I was as big as Goofy at that point. It was pretty embarrassing for me, but amusing I suspect for my Dad.

Bill: Willie suffered a multitude of continual embarrassments growing up: a plastic life-sized cow in our front yard; a bust of Elvis on a plant stand; large posters of Steak n’ Shake meals on the dining room walls; municipal-sized fireworks displays on our sidewalk; Elvis birthday parties; the list goes on and on.

What is your favorite quality and biggest pet peeve about the other person?
Willie: Favorite quality is sense of humor and skeptical eye about the world. Biggest pet peeve is when he opens the big potato chip bag by tearing all the way down the side, instead of by conventional means at the top. The Bill Geist Method means the bag cannot be resealed, and the chips go stale unless they are scarfed down in that first sitting. They typically are.

Bill: His immense talent, his sense of humor, his ability to dunk a basketball, to talk about foreign affairs with experts on “Morning Joe”, his work ethic, writing ability, thoughtfulness, humility, parental skills and on and on it goes.
My pet peeve is all of the above.

What’s your favorite thing to do together?
Willie: Sit on the back deck in Shelter Island with a drink while my kids and my sister’s kids play in the backyard below.

Bill: Get together and laugh about the absurdities we both see the same in the human condition.

Author photo by Deborah Feingold

Bill Geist, longtime television correspondent on "CBS Sunday Morning" and his son Willie, co-host on NBC's "Today" and MSNBC's "Morning Joe," share a passion for journalism, but their real common ground lies in appreciating the hilarious, absurd and just plain odd situations in the world around them. They might have skipped the requisite father-son talks while Willie was growing up, but they're finally getting around to them in their new book, Good Talk, Dad.
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Inspiration can come from strange places, and for Nashville writer Mary Laura Philpott, it was the merger of two publishing powerhouses that got her creative juices flowing.

Philpott, who has written for the New York Times and many other publications and is currently the editor of Musing, the online literary journal of Parnassus Books, was puzzled and amused when she heard that Penguin Books and Random House were planning to join forces. What would be the name of the new company? Random Penguins? From that thought, a Tumblr was born, and Philpott's comic ruminations on penguins and their problems had a home.

Fans of her hilarious penguin sketches were soon flocking to the site, and not long after, Perigee, an imprint of the very same Penguin Random House, came calling with a book deal. We asked Philpott to tell us more about Penguins with People Problems, which shows the adorable, befuddled birds dealing with everything from hair extensions to health insurance forms.

When you started the Tumblr, did you ever think it could lead to a book deal?
Oh, no. I was just having fun drawing weird pictures. Around that time, I was actually trying to figure out what my next book might be, but I didn’t think it would be this. When I heard from Penguin Random House, I thought they might be emailing to ask me to cease and desist.
 
When did you first realize your penguins were becoming a hit?
Shortly after I created the Tumblr, I got a text from a friend of mine that read, “THE PENGUINS ARE ON THE FUG!” The hilarious fashion blog Go Fug Yourself had linked over to my site in a roundup of things they liked. Right after that, the style site Refinery29 ran an article titled, “Is this our new favorite Tumblr?” That’s when I realized that people other than my own friends and blog subscribers were even seeing them.
 
Why did you dedicate the book to Matt Damon?!
Only Matt Damon knows the real answer to that question.
 
No, honestly—that was just a placeholder. I jotted it there so I wouldn’t forget to go back and write a real dedication. Then every time I opened my draft manuscript I saw it and it made me laugh. So in the end I just had to keep it.
 
Your penguins have a lot of first-world problems: Spanx, bad wifi connections, annoying co-workers. Which one of these penguins is most like you?
That’s very true—there are no penguins in this book dealing with famine or global warming. These are just the little daily humiliations and slip-ups and curiosities that we all have. You can probably see me most in some of the more absurdly specific ones. The one trapped in a dress, the one pretending her keys jingling in her purse are a tiny bluegrass band … those are straight out of my actual life.
 
What would people with penguin problems look like?
I think that would be a much shorter book. Penguin problems probably pretty much come down to survival.
 
Will you draw yourself as a penguin below?
Sure. Since it's summer, I'll have to include my giant sunhat and sunglasses and cover-up. I'm pretty fair and my eyes are sensitive to bright sunlight, so this is the season where I walk around like a beach-ghost.

We hear you did a drawing of David Sedaris as a penguin and gave him a copy of it. What other author (or celebrity) would you like to draw as a penguin?
Yes! That was such a special moment. I had interviewed David before, just over email—we had never talked face to face. So when I got to meet with him before his event in Nashville, it was a real thrill. He was so sweet about his penguin. He was like, “Look! There’s my FitBit!” I love to create little penguins of real people—in fact, I did a bunch as I was sending out copies of the book to authors I admire. [Readers can see a great selection of Philpott's author-penguins at Musing.]
 
What would it look like if Minotaur and Grove merged? Or Crown and Little, Brown?
The second one is easy — Little Brown Crown. Maybe you could put the little brown crown on a baby rabbit just to make it cute. As for the first… I’m envisioning “Minotaur Grove.”


 
Do you have a background in art? Did you ever imagine you’d be a published artist?
You’re very kind to ask, but no — I pretty clearly have no art background whatsoever. I have always loved drawing little stick people and faces, and if you talk to anyone I’ve ever worked with in an office, they will confirm that I doodled all over the whiteboards on every wall. And I like drawing little figures in the margins of my letters and notes to people. Most of these pictures look like they were done by a 5-year-old, but I think maybe some of the humor comes from that — from the fact that you have this little childlike doodle with a caption about a grownup situation. People have told me that they find the faces and gestures very evocative — they can somehow see the feelings on these little birds’ faces. So, something’s coming through despite my total lack of artistic skill, I suppose.
 
Your little doodles have really taken off—with their very own book and a line of greeting cards. What’s next for the random penguins? Could they have their own reality show?
That would be a very weird show, but I would totally watch it.

All illustrations  © 2015 Mary Laura Philpott.

Author photo by Cameron Philpott.

 

Inspiration can come from strange places, and for Nashville writer Mary Laura Philpott, it was the merger of two publishing powerhouses that got her creative juices flowing.
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Kathleen Hale isn’t hiding from the controversy that inspired the title of her new essay collection, Kathleen Hale Is a Crazy Stalker. When she published her essay “Catfish” in The Guardian in 2014—about stalking a Goodreads reviewer who gave her book a one-star review and exposing the reviewer as someone using a false identity online—it inspired a wave of online criticism that led Hale to quit the internet for good. Now, with the release of her first book since those events, we asked her some questions about mental health, the “toxic hellscape” of the internet and how to keep writing when your every word is being scrutinized.


I noticed that the version of “Catfish” that appears in this book has a different ending than the version that originally appeared in The Guardian. This ending is more vulnerable; it gives more details about your stay in the psychiatric hospital following the essays blowback and delves into the ramifications for your mental health. Do you hope the new ending will give people a fuller view of the story? How do you hope they will respond?
The new ending is the linchpin to my essay’s original thesis, which is that the internet and in particular social media breed psychosis. I might have been an extreme case. But I feel like my case is on a continuum with what non-mentally ill people experience.

Four years removed from the essays original publication, how do you feel about it now? Has that changed at all over the years? 
It’s more obvious now than it was in 2014 that the internet is a toxic hellscape. Since then we have literally elected an internet troll as our president, which says a lot about the power trolls wield on Twitter, and social media has ruined lots of lives. People born in the 2000s seem to have a healthy distrust of things like Facebook. I realize looking back at myself how unsophisticated and naive I was. I got sucked into the internet, and it made me go crazy.

Has this experience—and the critique that is resurfacing now, with this books publication—affected how you interact with social media and the internet as a whole?
Very much so. I’m no longer on social media. I don’t write for free. And I don’t read what other people write about me, which has made me saner and a lot more productive.

Has this experience affected your view of “cancel culture”? How so?
I was at a party the other day and someone asked, “Has anyone read XYZ?”—some article online that was apparently controversial. And the first thing people asked was, “No, what are people saying about it?” I find that fascinating: that the first question is not about the work itself but about its reception. That is a very post-Zuckerberg phenomenon.

Though “Catfish” is already generating a lot of attention, its not the only essay in which you're vulnerable. What motivates you to continue to reveal yourself in this way?
During the recession in the early 2000s, women’s personal essays were referred to as “confessional essays” and were some of the only things I could get paid to write. During that time I published a ton of essays that really embarrass me now, because they’re revealing to no end. But under more ideal circumstances, I try very hard to differentiate between “secrets” and “story,” and to only pick those “confessions” that drive the story forward.

My hope is that the six essays in this collection productively harness revelatory details. They have been revised since their original publications to knit together a story of insanity in my 20s, which is only a phase if you survive it, and my desire to seek out the external danger that mirrored my internal experience.

But the collection is also a swan song to my 20s, and to memoir writing in general, in the sense that I don’t think I’ll ever write about myself again, at least not like this. Six good essays over eight years simply isn’t good math. And ironically, it turns out that I’m a pretty private person. It’s a Catch-22: part of the creative process naturally involves sharing one’s work with other people. But I’m shy, so there’s also desire to hide, or remain pseudonymous, which is a right that is still enjoyed by trolls but no longer afforded to artists.

Do you have a response for those who question why someone who harassed a book reviewer should have the opportunity to continue publishing?
I think the essay shocked people in part because we like to think that what we do and say online has no repercussions for us whatsoever. But what if the owner of that restaurant we smeared on Yelp, under multiple user names, lowering its overall rating to, say, 2 out of 5, all because the hostess had a “bitchy” demeanor, showed up at our front door? Nobody wants that. That’s scary. But is it fear we feel when the restaurant owner rings our bell, or an unwelcome sense of responsibility for our online conduct? Maybe it’s a little of both.

What do you hope readers, skeptics or otherwise, take from this collection?
After dealing with some very dedicated internet trolls, who’ve been with me now for nearly five years (happy anniversary), I began to realize that I couldn’t effectively sit down and try to tell a story while simultaneously trying to gauge or mitigate potential backlash to it. This collection contains honest essays about my life, which obviously opens me up to scathing analysis about how I lead my life. But allowing myself to hope that “readers, skeptics or otherwise” take it the right way spins me out of sorts and hurts my productivity. The way I’ve survived since getting offline is by thinking, “My job is just to write,” and now that the collection has been published, I must move on to the next thing.

Sometimes you juxtapose one subject with another, as in “Cricket,” in which you write about the Miss America pageant and a woman who overdoses in a bathroom. What does your writing process look like, and how does it allow these seemingly disparate concepts to come together in your mind?
Disparate concepts are always coming together in my mind because I have mental illness. As a writer, I try to weed out the random thoughts from the relevant ones and string the latter batch together into a narrative that isn’t boring.

You seem to be drawn to unusual or difficult subjects in general, such as the community of environmentally ill people in Snowflake, Arizona. What prompts this curiosity?
I can’t take credit for coming up with the idea for the Snowflake essay—that one belongs to Mae Ryan, an amazingly talented filmmaker who had pitched the story to The Guardian and was originally going to report it with Jon Ronson, but he couldn’t make it, so they called me. It was one of my first real gigs after getting out of the psych hospital, and I found the experience so refreshing, because it allowed me to write about a community of people suffering in ways I could relate to, while also taking a break from being a main character in my own stories. Susie and Deb were fascinating people and generous hosts. I can’t thank Mae enough for finding them and letting me tag along. The whole experience really seeded my current interest in writing exclusively about other people.

Though you’ve published a number of essays, this collection is a genre shift as far as your books go. Do you anticipate continuing in young adult fiction?
No, my career in young adult fiction is over. No YA publisher will work with me out of fear of offending my anonymous online critics/trolls. I still get to write professionally about teenagers, but it’s always for television and film, where I can remain anonymous. I love it.

You address mental health several times throughout this collection, including mention of a psychiatric hospital visit that followed the incident from which the book takes its title. How has your own mental health journey continued since that time?
Perhaps in another five years, when a decade has passed since I published something “inappropriate” online and caused a minor uproar on Twitter, I’ll finally be known for something other than an essay that landed me in a mental hospital. That said, it’s a pretty good story, and the title of my collection, Kathleen Hale Is a Crazy Stalker, is clearly in part a callout to that story. But the title also refers to the theme of predation that unites all six essays and to the gaslighting that women endure in a sexist society that recapitulates female aggression as insanity. In my case, however, the word “crazy” is absolutely true, and I own it completely! I am crazy. The internet drove me crazy.

How are you caring for yourself surrounding this book release, as people critique your publisher’s decision to publish it and you personally?
I stay offline and sit down at my desk in the real world and work on my next thing.

What are you working on now?
In my 20s I was interested in myself. But now that I’m in my 30s, I realize that other people are much more interesting than I am. My next book is a work of nonfiction about an unusual community where something tragic happened. Most people have heard of it. But they don’t know the whole story.

 

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Kathleen Hale discusses mental health, the “toxic hellscape” of the internet and how to keep writing when your every word is being scrutinized.
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Everything Samantha Irby touches turns to laughter, and this Q&A is no exception. The humor writer and essayist talked to BookPage about moving to Kalamazoo, Michigan, working in Hollywood and writing her newest book, Wow, No Thank You.


You are an amazingly candid writer, offering essays on everything from sex to your tough childhood to body issues. What topics are off limits for you? What topics would you like to tackle but haven’t yet?
THIS IS A TRICK QUESTION. I can’t tell you my off-limit topics because then it’ll become a whole thing and your follow-up question will be, “Well why don’t you write about that?” and then I’ll end up talking about a thing I don’t write about and then we will continue in a back-and-forth loop until one of us dies. So I’ma say this: I try to only write what I know about, which is why 99% of my work is about myself, because I don’t know anything and I can’t read!

You say your stepchildren are not allowed to read your books (as part of your hilarious “detachment parenting” theory). Surely you let your wife read your work, though. What is her general reaction?
I don’t let my wife read anything in which she isn’t specifically referenced before I send it to my editor, because I can’t shake off criticism. I don’t read or listen to anything anyone who isn’t editing me has to say about a thing I’m working on because the instant I hear it, it becomes a part of my body. That “this could be tighter” or “this part is confusing” crawls inside my ear and burrows its way into my brain where it will live until I pass away, still fretting about why my sentence structure is bad. I don’t read interviews or reviews or anything about myself ever, because I don’t have that gene that allows you to take critiques in stride and keep it pushing. Anyway, it was written into our vows that she is required to say that she likes every single thing I commit to the page, so I’ll never know what she actually feels, but I believe that she’s a fan.

“Nothing is fun when it feels like your life depends on it. That sounds extremely dramatic, but it’s real.”

It was fascinating to read about your time in Hollywood working in the writers’ room for the show “Shrill.” Do you see yourself working in Hollywood again?
I just wrapped a different Hollywood job! Although, we worked in Chicago this time, and the show shoots in Chicago, so it was just like going home to chill with my friends for a few weeks, not like fancy Hollywood. I was just in the writers’ room for Showtime’s “Work in Progress,” a show I was absolutely obsessed with when it first came out, so when they asked if I would join the room for season two, I leapt at the chance. I don’t know though. I’m not 19 and optimistic, show business fucking sucks, and everyone lies to your face while telling you how much they love you, and there’s absolutely zero transparency, which I never expect under any circumstances, but it’s jarring when it happens, and making the choice to be a 40-year-old beginner in an industry like that??? No thank you! I’m too old to be subjecting myself over and over again to that shit! I’m sure publishing has its detractors, too, but at least I’m already successful at that. So I’ll work in Hollywood when cool opportunities to work with genuine people I like present themselves to me, but I will absolutely never be a rabbit chasing breathlessly after that elusive stick.

What are you most proud of in your career so far?
That I spent 14 years at the same job (working in an animal hospital in the burbs), punching the same clock, and that I was dependable and reliable and really good at it. Creative writing isn’t a career, it’s an unrelenting anxiety dream in which my money and future are tied to the whims of people I’ve never met and a market over which I have absolutely no control. However, many years from now when I’m filling out the application to be a regional manager at Target because no one reads anymore, no one is gonna give a shit that once upon a time I wrote some books. They want to know that I have exceptional customer service skills, which I absolutely do.


ALSO IN BOOKPAGE: Read our starred review of Wow, No Thank You.


You moved from Chicago to Kalamazoo, Michigan (which, until embarrassingly recently, I didn’t know was a real place). What was the hardest part about leaving a major city? What was a welcome surprise about the move?
The best thing about having moved is that there are a precious few people here who ever ask me for anything, and that is the best thing in the fucking world. It didn’t really dawn on me how great getting away from a city full of people with my phone number was until the first time someone hit me up like, “Hey dude, can you do my show for free next Thursday night at 11:59 p.m., I can comp you one well drink,” and I got to respond “SORRY NO I DON’T LIVE IN CHICAGO ANYMORE.” I miss my friends, and 90% of my waking hours feel like I am going to die without being in close proximity to them, but Jesus Christ, EVERYONE HAS A FRIGGIN PODCAST, and they all want you to come to their apartments after work and awkwardly try to hold a microphone while shooing away the dog, and I don’t have to make up an excuse not to do that anymore! “I can’t, I live in another state!” is the perfect way to get out of every in-person interaction I would die rather than suffer through. Technology is catching up to me, though, and people have started to pivot to “Hey, we can just Skype!” or whatever, but I just got a new phone number, so now I can avoid that shit, too. Everyone should move!

You wrote in an online book club chat: “I’m no good in New York. It’s so busy and everyone is mean.” In which cities are you at your best?
The Middle West. Chicago, especially. Detroit is a close second. Also: literally any place with more strip malls than people.

In your acknowledgements, you say you “had a weirdly hard time working on this dumb book.” Why was that?
Wow, you read that far? That’s hilarious! Hmm, well. I don’t know? I didn’t have writer’s block, per se, but I was extremely unmotivated to sit down and write for long stretches of time while working on this collection, and if I had to pin the blame on one thing, it would probably be that this time it was my actual job to be writing a book rather than a fun hobby I get to use as an emotional outlet. Nothing is fun when it feels like your life depends on it. That sounds extremely dramatic, but it’s real.

In your final chapter, you write about how you published your book and allude to the tail-between-your-legs emails asking writers you admire if they would please blurb your book. Who’s written your favorite blurb?
I love all my blurbs equally, especially since they were each so skin-crawlingly humiliating to get, but Jia Tolentino referring to my work as a “snack tray” I think really speaks to the essence of who I am and what I want my writing to be.

“I don’t believe in guilty pleasures. I like what I like, and I don’t care who doesn’t approve.”

You’re pretty active on Twitter, which is simultaneously one of the best and worst places on the internet. Do you encounter a lot of trolls? How do you handle them?
This is so funny because I don’t see myself as active on Twitter? Like, I make a pretty concerted effort to never tweet takes and only occasionally tweet jokes, because that place is a fucking toilet and I hate fighting and I’m also not smart enough to offer an educated opinion about anything that actually matters. I like to retweet things to promote other people while also trying to tweet links to my own shit at a clip that is steady but not nauseatingly so, especially since I decided a few years ago that the only way I could not feel like absolute shit on that website was to use my platform for good. I don’t need to dunk on idiots or react to articles I haven’t read all the way through. I just try to amplify people’s shit while scrolling through to get a laugh. All I want to do is laugh at shit and skim popular articles so that if anyone asks, “Hey, did you read [that thing everyone is talking about] today?” I can convincingly lie and say, “Yes!”

I’m sure I get trolled, but honestly idk about it? I mean, I have so few spicy takes that I can’t imagine what someone would want to climb up my asshole about, but I know there’s always something. Anyway, I have my settings and shit tweaked so that I don’t see anything from anyone I don’t already follow, plus I mute words and phrases I don’t want to see, which is basically the textbook definition of “self-care.” The whole “engage with trolls” thing is just not my fucking bag. The thought of arguing with a faceless stranger online has zero appeal to me? It’s not like people want to have a healthy discussion and exchange of ideas. They want to call you a fat bitch and tell you all the ways you should fucking kill yourself. I can’t dedicate any of the rapidly waning emotional energy I have left to that shit, and besides, I already have the death pills counted out! (jk jk)

I absolutely loved the chapter called “Late 1900s Time Capsule,” in which you offer up a mixtape of songs from the ’90s and divulge what they meant to you. What is your guiltiest pleasure music these days?
I don’t believe in guilty pleasures. I like what I like, and I don’t care who doesn’t approve. I’ve already lived through the years of telegraphing how cool I think I am to people who don’t give a shit, so now I just do whatever I want. That’s not the answer you’re looking for—I know you want me to embarrass myself even though I refuse to feel shame about pop music—so here you go: Every song on Katy Perry’s album “Witness” is a fucking jam, and also I absolutely cannot stop listening to the new Selena Gomez. Has your bloodlust been satisfied???

 

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We talked to Samantha Irby about moving to Kalamazoo, Michigan, working in Hollywood and writing her newest book, Wow, No Thank You.
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Comedian, screenwriter, actor and showrunner Rachel Bloom adds “author” to her list of credentials with I Want to Be Where the Normal People Are, a collection of personal essays and hilarious tidbits from her life and career. We asked Rachel a few questions about theater, mental health and the difference between writing a book and writing for her hit TV show, "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend."


The title of your book, I Want to Be Where the Normal People Are, is interesting since, if you actually were normal (whatever that means), you probably wouldn’t have had your extraordinary career. Do you still want to be where the normal people are?
No, because *spoiler alert* there is no such thing as normal. And if I did consider myself normal, all evidence points to the fact that I would be a shallow and boring person.

You write candidly about your experiences with mental health, specifically obsessive-compulsive disorder. Why was it important for you to share this part of your life? What message do you hope to convey to readers about living with mental illness?
This was the most important thing for me to share because it’s the biggest example of me feeling out of place and completely alone. For many years I didn’t talk about this part of my life with anybody because I was really ashamed, and it weighed on me. So I always knew that, especially in a book about normalcy, this piece of my story was essential. The messages I hope to convey to readers are that you’re not as weird as you think you are and you didn’t do this to yourself.

You not only sprinkle excerpts from your childhood diaries throughout the book but also share screenshots of the diary entries. That’s some serious sharing. What would 13-year-old Rachel think?
She’d hate me.


ALSO IN BOOKPAGE: Read our review of I Want to Be Where the Normal People Are.


You cover a lot of topics in your book—from childhood insecurities to dealing with professional rejection to therapy. Are there any subjects you intentionally chose not to write about? Why?
Yes. Anything that reveals intimate details about people with whom I still care to have a good relationship, and any identifying characteristics of a few of the other people I talk about. I don't wish for anyone to be targeted, doxxed or canceled because of stories in this book. As far as that guy in 7th grade—yes, that is his real name, but it's one of the most common names in the world, so good luck finding him.

There’s a section in the book called “Normal People Choose Safe Careers.” What would your safe career have been?
Teaching—but I know how hard it is to be a teacher, so apologies to any teachers who are like “fuck you."

You say you’ve always been a theater kid. What was your best theater experience in high school?
I was in the musical Honk!, which is a musical about the ugly duckling, and it was the period of time when I fully found my group of friends and started to become way more confident as a person and performer. When Honk! ended, I actually fell into a mini-depression. I think I even said to myself, "The magic time is over."

What has been your favorite theater experience as a fan?
Hamilton. I know that sounds trite, but my Hamilton experience was as follows: I had just won a Golden Globe, and afterward I immediately flew to New York to do press. So I'd had no sleep and was incredibly emotional. I bought myself a single ticket to Hamilton for $800, and as the audience stood up at the end of the show, I started sobbing. I called my husband to say, “I cannot believe I’m seeing an audience react to a musical about history the way that people react to Star Wars. I never thought I’d see this. This is unbelievable.” I could not stop crying.

"There were long stretches of me putting stuff on paper and not knowing whether or not it was garbage."

You proclaim in the book that your celebrity cause is making amusement parks smarter. Now this is a cause worth taking on. I think your idea of a weed edible station would be extremely popular, and the “Get Born” Rapids that reproduce the birth canal experience is . . . interesting. How are you going to take this idea to market?
Well, I think it goes without saying that I need a billion dollars. So . . . do you want to give me a billion dollars?

You write fairly late in the book that “writing another book right now sounds like getting a pap smear in a World War I trench.” Was writing this book harder or easier than writing for your (amazing) TV show “Crazy Ex-Girlfriend”? What’s the biggest difference between the two?
They were equally hard in different ways. The hard part about the book was that I had no one to bounce things off of in the process of writing a draft. Once I turned it in, my editor was my unofficial writing partner on this book, but it’s not like I could read a chapter aloud to her to see what she thought. There were long stretches of me putting stuff on paper and not knowing whether or not it was garbage. And also, to be scientific: A book is a lot of words and a TV episode is less words.

You share several stories about being bullied in school in this book, including a particularly brutal incident in which a couple of popular girls convinced a boy to pretend he liked you. Have you gone back to any class reunions, and if so, did you bring your Emmy with you?
I actually missed my 10-year reunion because it was in the thick of season one of "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend," and I was just too tired, which is such a flex I guess. Not to be a downer, but high school was a lot better than middle school. So if I went back to a reunion, it wouldn’t be as triumphant as you’d like because, unfortunately for the sake of my own narrative, people got way nicer.

 

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Comedian, screenwriter, actor and showrunner Rachel Bloom adds “author” to her list of credentials with I Want to Be Where the Normal People Are, a collection of personal essays and hilarious tidbits from her life and career.

In her third book, Please Don’t Sit on My Bed in Your Outside Clothes, Phoebe Robinson is as hilarious, smart and honest as ever. She’s taking action, too, with a new publishing imprint called Tiny Reparations Books.


Congratulations on your latest accomplishments—jewels in your queenly crown!—including your third book in five years. Did you always want to be an author? What about it has been the most surprising, exciting or bizarre?
Thank you so much! I definitely didn’t always want to be an author, which is surprising considering how much I love books and how I used to write stories as a kid. I kind of dabbled in artistic things. Like, I used to draw a lot as a kid and was obsessed with movies and TV shows, so my dream was to write dramatic screenplays that would go on to win Oscars. Very different track that I’m on now—haha—but I’m so happy. I’m right where I’m supposed to be. 

What has been most surprising is seeing how much my writing improves book to book. It’s a great way to see what I’ve learned consciously and subconsciously being revealed through my work. Most exciting would have to be when I made the New York Times bestsellers list for You Can’t Touch My Hair. That was my first book, and a lot of effort went into spreading the word about YCTMH, so I’m glad we achieved that goal. And for most bizarre, it would have to be Oprah calling to congratulate me on YCTMH and telling me she enjoyed reading it. Would have never expected that to happen.

For this book, what essay came to you first? What was on your mind that made you feel like it was time to get to work on this collection? 
Definitely “Quaranbae.” It was early in quarantine, but I had already started noticing some things both bae and I did that made me laugh or go, “That’s interesting.” Just us being around each other all the time and the ways in which we got in each other’s ways. I just sort of chuckled and wrote a few things down in my Notes app, and then a title popped into my head: Diary of a Bitch in Quarantine. And I thought, “Huh. Maybe this could be a fun essay collection.” I texted my literary agent, Robert, and he said that was cool. So I just started working on a proposal. Then that boneheaded “I Take Responsibility” video came out, and so in addition to writing about personal things, I wanted to write about performative allyship and all that jazz. I truly wasn’t planning on writing a book during quarantine. I think I just needed a creative outlet because so much was unknown. And now we’re here!

“It’s my responsibility to shine a light on people and help make their paths a bit easier than mine has been.”

You do stand-up comedy, podcasts, hosting and acting in addition to writing books. Does one aspect of your multihyphenate career feel most dominant to you, or do you view all of your various jobs as elements of a larger creative whole?
Definitely the latter. I’m just curious about and interested in reflecting many sides of my creativity. And each one nourishes a part of me. I love doing stand-up and getting that immediate feedback from the audience of, “Yes, that is hilarious” or, “Naw, not there yet, but you’re on the right path, so figure it out.” Writing allows me to lean into the side of me that enjoys being alone, where I can be funny or serious. And then all the film and TV stuff is so collaborative, and I enjoy that process of trying to build something that would be impossible for one person to pull off. 

The latest additions to the Phoebeverse are a production company and a book imprint, both called Tiny Reparations. What does that name mean to you?
I used to always joke that I’m never going to get the reparations, like the cash, but I can get those small moments of payback from the universe, such as when I met Bono, the lead singer of U2, which is my all-time favorite band. With the production company and imprint, the meaning behind the name expanded from a joke to a reality. It’s been the running theme throughout my career. I’ve always used whatever platform to help uplift other voices and share the wealth. I don’t want to be the token. I don’t want to be the “exceptional one” in a sea of white people in entertainment and publishing. First of all, that is a fallacy. There’s not just one special person of color who is good at this stuff. A whole host of them are, and many of them are ignored, and I don’t want to be the person doing the ignoring. So it’s my responsibility to shine a light on people and help make their paths a bit easier than mine has been. It’s been a wonderful privilege, and I’m always looking for ways to do more. Stay tuned!

“There’s a lot of work to be done to make this industry more inclusive, and I believe we can get there.”

What do you most want to accomplish with Tiny Reparations Books, in terms of its potential to create change in the publishing business?
Without a shadow of a doubt, my goal is to have one of my authors’ books land in the top three on the New York Times bestseller list. Coincidentally, every writer on the slate is a debut author, which is so freaking dope, so it would be nice to be on that journey with them and celebrate them bursting onto the scene in such a cool way. But more importantly, I just want every author to feel supported and like they absolutely got to write the book they wanted to. Writing can be such a torturous and stressful process, and worrying about the book doing well and building a presence on social media can make someone be in their head. I want them to find joy in the process because you never forget the whole journey your first book goes through.

I also really want TRB to help shake things up. To be one of many imprints that are changing the landscape of publishing, both with the kinds of books being published as well as the kinds of people behind the scenes who are gatekeepers, all the way down to interns. There’s a lot of work to be done to make this industry more inclusive, and I believe we can get there. Everyone just has to show up and contribute. It’s not going to magically change overnight because Roxane Gay and I have imprints. The onus shouldn’t be on the two of us to fix everything, ya know?

Will you share a bit with us about the books you’ll be publishing first? 
Yes! I can give you a sneak peek of a couple of them. First up is What the Fireflies Knew. When I read the title to myself, I just imagine Oprah saying it while holding the book and standing in her kale garden. It’s written by Kai Harris, and it’s a coming-of-age story about a preteen girl named KB and her sister who stay with their grandfather for the summer after their father passes away. It’s really moving and powerful and perfectly captures the innocence of youth, sibling relationships and trying to find your place in a world that you don’t quite understand. I love it so much, and I truly believe other people will as well. Kai is the truth!

Then there is Portrait of a Thief by Grace D. Li, who legit wrote this book while in medical school. When I learned that, I was like, “Lol, wut?! I will never complain about writing a book again.” It’s a great heist novel about a group of 20-something Chinese peeps who get hired to steal Chinese artifacts from Western museums. I mean, talk about a hook. Beyond the plot-driven pace, it really sucks you in because there’s so much in there about family and identity and the assumptions we make about what we do and don’t mean to the important people in our lives. I gobbled this up in two days. Grace has a very bright future as an author, and I’m happy she’s on #TeamTinyRepBooks.

You write so movingly about what life was like for you during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic as an individual, as a partner to your significant other (affectionately known as your British Baekoff) and as a Black woman. You write, “If I can make you laugh and forget your problems for a moment then I did something.” Who or what did that for you during 2020?
Great quesh! Tbh, 2020 is kind of a blur. One day just sort of bled into the next, but I will say that I rewatched “Sex and the City,” and that was great. It is such a formative show for me, and Samantha Jones is so freaking funny. It was great to revisit the show and forget the state of the naysh for a bit.

“In my opinion, it’s my best book yet.”

It’s fascinating to read about how your parents have influenced you, whether you find yourself aligning with them (like in your desire to help and support people through your work) or doing things they won’t (like traveling). What was it like for you, plumbing your relationship with them? What was their reaction to the book?
I always enjoy writing about them because they are so different from me and funny in their own unique ways. They haven’t read the book yet. I didn’t want to give them an Advanced Reader Copy just because I didn’t want them to read the book when it wasn’t perfect. But they adorably preordered the book, so I’m sure I will hear soon how they feel about it. I think they will dig it. In my opinion, it’s my best book yet.

You got your passport in 2015 and have been broadening your horizons ever since, as per your “Black Girl, Will Travel” essay. What do you think is a good destination for a travel newbie? Where are you going to travel next?
I’m probably biased because my boyfriend is from the U.K., but I always tell people that London is great to visit. It’s similar to New York in a lot of ways, but also wildly different. There’s so much to do and lots of good food options, and because you can do a daytrip to Bath or take a train to Paris, it’s a place you can return to often and still discover new things. 

I miss travel so much! I really want to go to Spain. That’s been on my list for several years, and I just couldn’t make it work. So I’m going to get my shit together and just do it once it’s truly safe to be traveling internationally. 


ALSO IN BOOKPAGE: Read our review of Please Don’t Sit on My Bed in Your Outside Clothes.


In the hilarious titular essay, you note with indignation that, despite everyone proclaiming undying love for Mr. Rogers, most of them have missed the memo about the value of having separate outside and inside clothes. This prompted you to share “Phoebe-isms,” about which you feel Very Strongly. Are there any that didn’t make it into the book that you feel compelled to share now?
Surprisingly, I got everything off my chest. But I guess, I will say, “Wash your fucking legs!” When people on social media were talking about how they don’t wash their legs because the soap just drips down anyway in the shower, I almost vomited. That is nasty as hell. The shower isn’t a place to be taking shortcuts or phoning it in.

Once they’ve finished reading your book, where can your fans find you next—from on a stage, to on their bookshelves, to in their earbuds, to on their screens?
My HBO Max stand-up special will be premiering later this year, so be on the lookout for that and stream it! I wanna make a good impresh with the HBO Max folks, so I can do another special with them!

 

Author photo credit: Yavez Anthonio

Famously funny author, comedian and actor Phoebe Robinson adds “publisher” to her multihyphenate career.

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